Me: | What do you like about being married to a youth minister? |
Katie: | I like that there’s flexibility in your job. It’s not a 9 to 5 necessarily. If you need to go in a little later or come home a little early, it’s okay. I like that you have a weekday off. |
Me: | What do you not like? |
Katie: | I don’t like that you not only work hard during the day but that you also work a lot of evenings. I wish sometimes that when you had to work an evening you’d come home earlier in the afternoon for a while. I don’t like that you go on a lot of trips away from me. |
Me: | Do you feel a lot of pressure to go on trips and be at church every time I am? |
Katie:
| No, but only because I feel like right now my job as a mother is more important than my job as a minister’s wife. |
Me: | I like that answer. |
Katie: | Thanks. Being your wife and being a youth minister’s wife aren't necessarily the same thing. |
Me: | Is that a philosophy you’ve acquired or one you had before we were married? |
Katie:
| Well, I think in what I saw growing up and just all the stereotypes of being a youth minister’s wife I thought it was important (to be at everything all the time), but in learning how to strive for our own balance as a family, I just realized it wasn’t that important. Not that I didn’t want to do it or didn’t enjoy it but I was in school, we had babies, and to try to do it all didn’t make sense. |
Me:
| What are some things that I do as a husband that you really appreciate? What do I do that makes you know I care about you and our kids more than the church? |
Katie: | (Long Pause) |
Me: | If the answer is “nothing,” you can say “nothing.” |
Katie:
| (Giggle, which I hope means the answer is not “nothing.”) Um…Most always you come home at a decent hour. When you come home you’re done working. You’re not doing stuff all through the evening. You don’t routinely go in on your day off. I appreciate when you ask me to go to lunch. You don’t do it that much but when you do I appreciate it. I appreciate that you have never griped about sharing responsibilities with our kids. We do what works. We don’t focus on what is equal but what works best. I appreciate that you aren’t the kind of man who assumes I take all the responsibilities for our kids. When you do go out of town you make contact every day. That tells me you don’t enjoy being away from us and that you miss me. |
Me: | Is there anything I do that makes you wonder if something is more important to me? |
Katie: | Um…(another long pause, which makes me feel relieved). |
Me: | Because I think everyone says their family is more important because they know that’s the right answer, but not everyone really lives like it. |
Katie:
| Well, I know you well enough that I can tell when something is on your mind. It’s not often that I find you to be preoccupied with work when you’re with me. When you’re here, you’re here. I think that shows me you care about us more. You love what you do and you do it while you’re there, but it doesn’t consume you. I can tell you wouldn’t rather be with middle schoolers than with me. |
Me: | Do you think I say yes to other people more than I say yes to you? |
Katie:
| Sometimes, yeah. You’re a people pleaser, and unless you know something will really upset me you say yes to others all the time. |
Me: | Can you think of an example? |
Katie:
| I think back to VBS. That’s a big event with you taking a lot on. I understood you were busy but sometimes it was frustrating that when you were home that you were on the phone figuring out things, and I just wanted you to be with me. When you’re in a meeting that is running late and you don’t stop to call me to say you’ll be late, you’re saying yes by being there for them and saying no by not even letting me know that you’ll be late. |
Me: | What’s good phone etiquette for people like us? |
Katie:
| Maybe if you’re on the phone when you come home and you know the phone conversation isn’t done you could stop the conversation and ask if you could finish it later. Or maybe if you just let your calls go to voicemail when you’re home and just tell me that you need to make some phone calls between seven to eight then you can return all those calls later. Sometimes, I feel as though you are not willing to make other people wait, but it’s always okay to make me wait. You never make people at church wait on a resource or a lesson, but if there’s something that needs done at home it doesn’t always happen as quickly. You’re way better at that than you used to be, but a few years ago that was very frustrating to me. |
Me: | How well balanced do you think I am as a person? |
Katie:
| I’m not going to say you’re perfect but I think overall you’re pretty good. On a given day, it may not be that good, but week-to-week, month-to-month, it’s pretty good. I think you could organize your life a little better and communicate with me your schedule. Giving me a heads up that busy times are coming would really help. I wouldn’t be so surprised. Those are the only times when I feel as though things are out of balanced, and that's not very often, so it’s not a problem for me. |
Me: | What else should we talk about? |
Katie:
| I’m not sure how to fix this, but I feel like we go to church independently of each other because you’re doing stuff other places. |
Me: | I feel that way too. I hate it. |
Katie: | Sometimes it makes me feel like if I were serving with you it would be better, but I don’t think it’s healthy for us not to be together in worship and stuff. |
Me: | Can you say something positive here at the very end because based on the last fifteen minutes I feel like I really stink as a husband and father. |
Katie: | (laughter) |
Me:
| If you were standing in front of a room full of youth ministers and you could tell them what I did that they should copy, what are some things that you really value? |
Katie:
| Don’t limit me to just three because then I’ll feel like I have to pick the best three and it’ll be too much pressure so let me just say what comes to mind. I’m not like you, I can’t come up with three great points for everything. |
Me: | Okay. |
Katie:
| You don’t tell me too much of what’s going on at church to the point where I’m frustrated about things going on. You do tell me enough to where I don’t feel out of the loop, though. There’s a fine balance between those two and it’s probably different for every couple. You have a consistent, predictable, come-home time. You try your best to write stuff on our calendar. You speak well of me from stage. I probably would rate that number one. You don’t illustrate your point with something that might embarrass me. In front of kids and sponsors, you demonstrate your love for me. I think you love your kids better than I could’ve asked for. You don’t love other people’s kids so much that you don’t have any left for your own. |
Me: | Mmm-hmm. |
Katie:
| I’m perfectly okay that we’re not always hanging out with high schoolers. Our home is for our family. That might sound selfish but I don’t mean it that way. But if the home is not sacred, then where can a wife have her husband all to herself? |
Me: | Well, I’m only disappointed in one thing. |
Katie: | What’s that? |
Me: | In all our conversation you didn’t say that you like it when I make you breakfast. |
Katie:
| Aaaawwwww…just the other day when you were cooking us breakfast I was sitting there thinking about how good I had it. When I come home from work and you make me supper, I really like that. |
Me: | Good. |
Katie:
| By the way, thank you for taking out the trash today, but you forgot the bathroom trash, and the two trashcans downstairs are full. |
Me: | Yes they are. |